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what's up witness citizenland

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if it's possible to build a love as

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because

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you just gotta do that sometimes

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i love this sweet and precious

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i hope you're dancing

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uh yeah so

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that's new it's a that's a that's a new

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kind of take i'm just kind of sick of

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playing

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my own stuff you know i need some

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separation from that you know

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and bring in something different because

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that's really my flavors that kind of

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stuff and no i'm not gonna play live

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stuff but i just got this thing today

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um for myself

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it's i guess you could say an early

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birthday present for me and

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yeah

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so i can't take my hands off of it so

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i'm not going to play it i just can't

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stop touching it

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so

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and

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for those of you

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new mexicoers

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this guitar strip is called albuquerque

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at noon

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pretty cool

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ain't it

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yeah but i think i'm

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may

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do a concert pretty soon but i'll bill

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it as such you know maybe i'll do like

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an hour concert show or something

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that's right i'm an aquarius if you

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forgot it is the age of aquarius

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so

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um we don't we had a guest but um that

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fell through so today

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it's just gonna be jay and i talking

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shop

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and i had um quite a dream last night

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um

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that definitely has some undertones

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and influence on how i'm feeling today

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and some of the decisions i've made so

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uh pretty pretty cool pretty cool stuff

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you know

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um so we're gonna get into that see you

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know if we can make some connections to

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anything

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even whatever it is so we're just gonna

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um throw caution to the wind

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and dig in you know

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so thank you for the birthdays everybody

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i appreciate it it's not today it's the

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seventh

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so but you know um the

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uh passion so to speak

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struck me so i had to i had to act on

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that and i saw a dear friend um that you

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know i used to play a lot of shows with

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at uh the music store

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and we talked about you know kind of the

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state of affairs and how everything is

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now with music and stuff quite sad not

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not good pretty pretty crazy actually

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but it was great seeing him it was like

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a breath of fresh air because we're very

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goofy together

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and make very dumb jokes that don't make

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any sense to pretty much anybody but us

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and i needed that so

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that was pretty cool

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um nigel no my dream was not beating up

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on tiny giants

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you know

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maybe in some

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some symbolic way that i can't figure

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oh and wow four days before your son

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interesting

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so kirsten everybody

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robert lara

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um bob marley always good to see you

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all the way from jamaica that's pretty

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pretty crazy that's you're making me

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crazy

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there we have the case for infinity

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what's up everybody

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um so without further ado

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um i'll bring in the very sophisticated

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the very handsome the very intelligent

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the very man i wish one day

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i could be

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elma cord bringing up twin brother how

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do you know about that

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wow that's crazy who are you

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stalking on me a little bit there if you

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know about twin brother that means he

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appreciate it though appreciate it surf

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psych what's up derek what's up so um

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yeah so

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i'm going to bring him in

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mr j christopher king

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yeah just doing a little bit of a

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last-minute uh crash course here um how

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are you doing how's it going

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yeah i'm good

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yep sorry to interrupt go ahead

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no no yeah it's it's you're

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we're coming up on your birthday

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your birthday is in

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in five days right and then

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and um yesterday was actually

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oh wow that's right happy birthday

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experience a group

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um i wish i could do like a character

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voice for what the experience or group's

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voice would sound like to say thank you

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but um on behalf of the experiencer

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group i'll say thank you um yeah so yeah

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a year ago we opened the doors for the

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very first time so it seems auspicious

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that we're in this we're in this

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birthday

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we're in this we're in the

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where the sandwich meet of of the

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oh sure why not

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it depends what's what is the sandwich

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you know there's there's yeah it means

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for instance yeah

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i mean i'm i'm actually a pescatarian

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myself so

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i'm using that i'm using the term

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loosely i once was very pessimistic but

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not anymore

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how are you doing

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we had a good time it's great to see

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people in the chat it's great to see

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wonderful kirsten and tyler robert

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crowford etc etc i see i see jared i see

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others

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great to see folks over there

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often i'm such a deer in the headlights

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when we get in situations like this that

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uh i i only bounce into the chat every

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once in a while but i'm trying to get

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better about it you know what i mean oh

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that's you know it's just like when you

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stop giving a crap

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about data about that stuff you know

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just let it rip your good dude whatever

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you do

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someone's is me what kind of guitar it

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is it's a harmony

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um a harmony it's so they're kind of

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old-school

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harmony k is another um one that you see

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k-a-y i'm a this weird like hipster guy

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where i can't you know have the gibson

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or the

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i gotta have like the the vintage

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version

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you know or whatever and it was you know

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in my price range which was only a

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couple hundred bucks i was like perfect

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because everything else you get for that

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price is like uh no thanks so it's like

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meant to be for sure

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i was like um speaking of the chat i was

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i went back and and checked out our chat

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with leslie from last week and i was

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looking at all the wonderful comments

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that were in the chat then and i was

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like oh man i wish i could get in a time

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machine

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roll back there and

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and uh give people high fives but

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i really enjoyed that interview um yeah

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how'd it go for you didn't like we

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didn't really talk about it afterwards

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say like how psyched we were that it

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happened i guess yeah um i thought it

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was fantastic i thought it went um

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swimmingly as some people would say

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a nice and easy conversation like it

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wasn't a challenge

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you know um it was she's has a lot to

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and she's well spoken and she's very

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interesting when she speaks

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and she's very kind and

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sweet and humble

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um it's exactly my type of person and

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thankfully you were there he brought

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some very intelligent well thought out

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questions that i thought and hit the

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and yeah so i was i was super happy with

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it very grateful that she took the time

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to do that with us

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um because you know i'm sure she's a

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busy person she's working on the cnn

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all in all it was fantastic like

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and i don't think it would have went as

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well without you there too so like

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everything just happens for a reason it

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loved it i thought it was great really

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enjoyed it it was really cool to hear

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files and whitley streeters files and

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narcaps files and a whole bunch of other

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stuff right there valerie's files

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i mean i'm not sure but doesn't he have

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a lot of the paper copies or

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of that

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used for for dog hunting is that right

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yes um well i've heard that from

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somebody i don't know what

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i don't know what the truth of it is or

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what he actually has or what that looks

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like but yeah yeah that would be the osi

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af osi files

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that i got from clifford stone a long

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time ago well it feels like a long time

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but yeah and those are separate from

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your typical like blue book files that

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you'll find online

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um these are different and

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they're pretty great and that's you know

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kind of what first

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made me feel like i wasn't insane so to

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speak i guess after after my experience

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because they're all chocked full of um

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um air force encounters and all that

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kind of stuff

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so you know when i'm when i'm looking at

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that right away after my experience i

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just put it in the chat there for people

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um that's so cool it's like oh there's

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obviously something yes going on here

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you know so what is it so um yeah they

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were very very interesting so

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if those will be in there that'll be

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pretty cool i wonder if you know he's

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got them all

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there's like over 100 washington dc

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documents in there

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lots of cool stuff so

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but yeah and i recently saw a document a

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blue book document where whoever the

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author was i forget of this paragraph

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was writing about

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um how jacques fell i had

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even more interesting documents

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i would imagine so

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i mean it's it sounds like he was he's

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been as much of a

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a dock hoarder as um

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as clifford stone has been a dock order

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or maybe even more so

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so

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i mean that's one of the things it's it

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kind of i mean

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your work really points in that

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direction but i mean for people in the

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audience there's

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there's definitely like

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there are definitely researchers that

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you that you become aware of

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behind the scenes or even online

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um

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kind of in front of the curtain that

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you know it's almost like like

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people with like collecting baseball

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cards or comic books or whatever you

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could with tchotchkes whatever there are

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people out there that have like

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the most voluminous like ufology files

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you could find and like it's always

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interesting when you stumble into one of

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those situations where where somebody

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like yourself just now is is open enough

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to be like here you go because some

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people really play that stuff close to

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the chest which is too bad you know what

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i mean yeah

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yeah getting that stuff out there is

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important yeah it is you know and for

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various reasons

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you know some people

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just like to kind of slow walk it so so

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they have something to talk about every

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few months or whatever

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you know

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but but i think it's um for me

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personally it's important to know that

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you know if people are willing to put in

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the work themselves like they can and

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the tools that are available for them to

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start digging in you know

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because when i first started for

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instance like i was had to hang on to a

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couple websites or whatever and then

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thankfully i found clifford stone on

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just like

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doing

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um weird searches and um searching like

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images for for certain references

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um and

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you know getting really deep into the

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images until i saw something that looked

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interesting click on it and

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um

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you know there there it is clifford

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stone all of his stuff on this website

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and i'm i didn't even know who the guy

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was at the time because think about it

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like i'm new to all this right so i'm

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like i don't know this guy is but this

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stuff is interesting

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you know so i'm like downloading and

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screenshotting everything and like this

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is great this is great you know um

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but and then eventually i found like the

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archives and

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you know and i even told people about

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the clifford stone thing like here it is

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here's the link but you know it's still

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up to people to go and check it out

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um

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so

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mean for those that don't know clifford

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stone

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he recently passed he passed within this

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last year

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he was an experiencer

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he had

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documented a documented military career

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uh he had a lot of really wild

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accounts um from back in the day

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um of like non-human entity contact and

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there's there's a lot of divisiveness

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about the validity of this quote unquote

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claims of course going back in the day

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um however regardless of what you think

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of clifford stone

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what clifford stone went through in

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vietnam or beforehand and things like

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that

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which is really interesting um you know

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just on if you're going to take it from

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a nuts and bolts perspective the guy was

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an a1 um document finder

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and that's and that's been that's been

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known for many years that you know that

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there were people that kind of turned up

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their nose at what clifford would talk

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about sometimes because of the personal

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nature of some of his experiences um and

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you know that's always unfortunate but

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then

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unfortunate as well if if

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people can't even look past that to see

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what else the person's doing right yeah

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um

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because that's then you're getting into

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like then you're getting into like

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robert hastings territory and stuff like

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that when people have to feel like

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they can't even

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experiencer until they're basically

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retired etc etc etc and that's yeah and

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and hopefully we're getting over that

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hopefully you know hopefully you know

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i'm thinking i you know it's always like

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okay this is the year hopefully this is

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the year right

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yeah i don't know you know

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you know to me sometimes and i don't

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know if you think this way but sometimes

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it feels like

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um and i don't mean this in a certain

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kind of way but but the

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more so people in ufology that haven't

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necessarily had

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um

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you know severe i guess experiences

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are the ones that fear the stigma the

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the most

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you know it's it's sometimes i feel like

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the actual experiencer

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um could give

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excuse my language but two shits about

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stigma

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you know and and it's more so

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you know people within the own community

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who want to remain respectable with you

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know their

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uh normal ufology stuff or whatever that

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kind of puts a hamper on things

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sometimes i think but you know i'm also

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green so to speak to to the territory so

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i could be off there no i think you're

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absolutely right and i mean the

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you know i mean one thing one thing that

447
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i found helpful about the leslie kane

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interview last week and just her in

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general is

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you know we walked into that

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conversation and she was very

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kind of casual and not charged or not

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guarded about kind of abductee language

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and experience her language and

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you know talking about how much time she

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spent with bud hopkins

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you know the main figures and some of

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bud hopkins books and things like that

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and i think that it's important for that

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conversation to get normalized and it's

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cool when it does you know it's i think

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it's important for

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people to connect those dots where it's

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like yeah that is the person from the

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cover of the new york times and she just

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said the the big scary a word and it's

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all right you know what i mean yeah and

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and um you know jim simivan on coast

469
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on sunday was was just talking about

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waking up with beings in his room and

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you know he was he was a he was a

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director of the central intelligence

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agency so well a directorate of one

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bureau within the central intelligence

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agency right

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so you know i mean this is it's

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i feel like there are shoes shoes that

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are that are dropping in a really

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interesting way and yeah

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and

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from

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you know there's always this idea that

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that it's that there's a concerted

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effort afoot and i think that they're

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you know i to a degree maybe there is

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and then at the same time

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what i also

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experience is

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seeing people

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being

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kind of on the edge and saying like i

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don't know if i should say it or not i

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don't know if i should say it or not you

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know what i mean and then they say it

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you know and like

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and then it's just like ah you know the

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the the the relief like

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me and september and things like that

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and you know and this with

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with the long rumored account like

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accounts of jim semivan and

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so you know i think

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hopefully

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things like that you know it becomes

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it

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talking about this other day and like i

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don't want to mention any names like i

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don't i don't need this to like inflame

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the the

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um the interpersonal situation

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on online with some people but yeah you

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know their

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fake life anyways

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yeah but there's you know there's there

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are people i i agree that that

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that think of this i think more as like

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entertainment you know what i mean right

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and like and when you're talking about

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people that are like scared or

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embarrassed of experiences or scared or

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embarrassed about what this all means or

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trying to or or

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you know they want to keep things in pdf

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documents they want to keep things in

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the land of like cockpit videos they

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want to do stuff like that they want to

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hear

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you know what i mean and it's and at a

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certain level

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you know it's it's strange though

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because a lot of those people they're

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not coming at it from like a really

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uh like a point of centrality themselves

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you know they don't have like they

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they're not they didn't have they didn't

536
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necessarily like as you put it they

537
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didn't necessarily have the experiences

538
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themselves they're kind of some of these

539
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people are looking at this as a form of

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entertainment

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and and this is a way for them to be

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able to

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in front of the camera you know what i

544
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mean maybe they wanted to be on sitcoms

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maybe they wanted to be on broadway and

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like they figured out that like

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that this was the way to do it and on

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some level they actually resent the

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material that they're covering

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sure

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yeah angry at your audience

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yeah and it's and it's and it's it's to

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me it's shameful really

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yeah

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you know um because there's other you

556
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know there's plenty of other there's

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plenty of other

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ways to go about

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things and you know

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and especially if you're trying to take

561
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things and turn them into entertainment

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but your way of doing it is only looking

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for validation

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from

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[Music]

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like

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that says that god exists or something

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like that you know what i mean and like

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what pretty pretty much

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you know why why what right

571
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,559
right

572
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,080
are you really sure that that's where

573
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,080
you want to get your information from

574
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,840
yeah that's true

575
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:37,280
i mean

576
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,799
um that that's uh very true and until

577
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,960
that happens let's like

578
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:45,600
walk this fine line of

579
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,880
um pretending to be normal until we can

580
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,440
get that you know and everybody else

581
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,360
who's actually really

582
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:55,760
emotionally invested in this for better

583
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,400
for worse most people wish they weren't

584
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,039
it really wasn't their choice

585
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,960
you could just stay in the closet until

586
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:04,720
we get there you know because we're

587
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:06,880
fighting on your behalf you know you

588
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,679
didn't ask us to but but no we're doing

589
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,240
it trust me and we'll get there one day

590
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,240
where you come out and you know you can

591
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,159
sing your songs and and talk to

592
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,840
everybody about your experiences but

593
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,039
until then

594
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,200
um you know you you know and then being

595
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:23,360
told that you've you basically

596
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,159
um

597
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,720
you know if are the reason for this

598
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:27,760
stigma

599
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,320
and all that kind of stuff and you know

600
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:32,480
it's just a complete almost lack of

601
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:33,760
understanding

602
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,640
um

603
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,280
you know and then

604
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,000
you know walking a tightrope here but uh

605
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:41,840
you know and then yeah then at the end

606
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,480
of the day charging for it you know um

607
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:47,520
absolutely which is is just unfortunate

608
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,640
but

609
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,480
you know it's

610
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:51,919
you know there's some aspects to

611
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,559
humanity that aren't

612
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:55,520
um

613
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,600
aren't unique

614
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,280
you know to

615
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,240
to this field by any means you know

616
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,240
um throughout my life even in high

617
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,480
school you know

618
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,960
i was a fairly talented athlete

619
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,640
and

620
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,039
um was was very determined to do certain

621
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,679
things you know and

622
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,000
older kids who are more

623
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,679
you know together throughout their whole

624
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,760
life and then come to this public school

625
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:25,679
from a private school like i did you

626
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,039
know stuck together and

627
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,440
a lot of people you know will tell me

628
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,679
over the time well there's intimidation

629
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,080
in involved you know

630
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,080
where they have to stick to each other

631
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:40,320
and root out anything new that could

632
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:41,120
take

633
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,640
any sort of uh

634
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960
spotlight or confidence away from them

635
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,880
you know

636
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,120
and that happens throughout

637
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,200
life in different careers

638
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,919
um that that i've had and and so on and

639
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,080
so forth

640
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,760
and and that follows you kind of

641
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:00,320
everywhere in music most especially you

642
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,080
know in music if i wasn't you know a you

643
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,400
know going to all the parties and and

644
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,320
making a bunch of friends

645
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,480
um it's hard to get people to come out

646
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,559
to your shows routinely because in the

647
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,120
end that's how the people look at it as

648
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,520
entertainment and parties not as in a

649
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,480
form of expression and and art

650
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,960
you know and and that's kind of

651
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:24,799
more or less the same

652
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,630
ufos you know

653
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:32,880
yeah and it's unfortunate because those

654
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:36,720
people typically overshadow uh the uh

655
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,200
organic authentic stuff

656
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,799
yeah and i think

657
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,880
you know i i think you bring up a good

658
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:44,240
point there because

659
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,919
you know there's there's the problem of

660
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,919
like if you're going if all you're doing

661
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,600
is talking about stuff then you don't

662
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,919
have time to actually do the work

663
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,760
right if you're going to the park if all

664
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,200
you're doing is going to the parties and

665
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,720
meeting people then when are you writing

666
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,559
your songs and when are you practicing

667
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,240
them and when are you developing

668
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,480
material right and similarly you know

669
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:04,320
within within

670
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:08,000
within this field you know it it it it

671
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,520
often turns into like well who's

672
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:11,039
actually doing

673
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:12,080
the thing

674
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,760
do you know what i mean like who's

675
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,799
actually

676
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,640
trying to push the ball you know who are

677
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,640
the leslie kings of the field and then

678
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:20,159
who are kind of like armchair

679
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,880
quarterbacks and they don't it does and

680
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,760
like

681
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,760
that's a version of the conversation

682
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,200
that that

683
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,760
you know we don't really need to to have

684
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,400
too much of on kim and at the same time

685
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,320
there's relevancy to it because i think

686
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,440
that there's

687
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,679
that what we're seeing right now is that

688
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,760
in the public face

689
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,279
of of

690
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,840
you know this new office or

691
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,080
you know television programs leslie's

692
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,000
cnn show you know what whatever's

693
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,400
happening kind of in front and out in

694
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,440
the culture there seems to me anyway and

695
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,840
maybe this is illusory that there's that

696
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,159
there's a shift happening since 2017 and

697
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,600
beforehand where

698
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:01,760
you know younger especially the younger

699
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,960
generations and stuff like that they

700
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,039
don't they don't have as many questions

701
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:07,279
about or qualms about discussing this

702
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,720
kind of material sure they like and even

703
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,320
the other aspects of it you know what i

704
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,480
mean sometimes it's easier

705
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,520
for some people to have an inroad that

706
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,600
might be like another modality rather

707
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,000
than just straight up seeing a uap in

708
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,159
the sky or something like that right

709
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:26,960
yeah and and along those lines you know

710
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,159
at the same time we're like a lot of

711
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,159
when we're talking about the stigma or

712
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,880
the frustration or something rubbing up

713
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:37,200
against something it's often within the

714
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,480
field itself

715
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:40,240
and and

716
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,440
doesn't it's sometimes again not

717
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,960
mentioning any names because i i don't

718
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,200
want to get but like we're talk you know

719
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,360
you're talking about people that don't

720
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,679
actually do any work except for sit in

721
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,520
front of a microphone and talk

722
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,080
right they don't actually contribute

723
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:00,640
other than just kind of having this

724
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,600
kind of like vacuous continual echo

725
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,480
chamber conversation you know and

726
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,640
about you know that at best is like

727
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,159
talking about maybe the i don't know the

728
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,640
hopkinsville monster for like the 100

729
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,919
millionth time

730
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:16,320
or whatever you know what i mean

731
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,440
i don't know

732
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:19,039
right yeah exactly

733
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:20,399
yeah anyway

734
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,200
so

735
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,559
because when that

736
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,640
narrative or whatever that echo chamber

737
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,640
talking point is over

738
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,799
you know and you know for instance for

739
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,960
example if let's say the tic tac is

740
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,520
proven to be drone or u.s technology or

741
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,919
whatever all those people that go

742
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:39,520
and listen to that

743
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,480
um

744
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,679
they're

745
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:42,880
everything is going to be basically

746
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,039
flushed down the toilet for them at that

747
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:48,000
point you know yeah because they weren't

748
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,279
you know regularly educated on uh the

749
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:53,520
realities of the situation and now it's

750
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,000
so much more than one object

751
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,360
seen or unseen and um it encapsulates

752
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,440
everything from consciousness to

753
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,200
you know different realms of reality and

754
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,360
time and space and something that's been

755
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,640
going on since

756
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,520
you know

757
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,600
uh humans have been around to document

758
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,120
it you know

759
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,360
and that's not hearsay and and there is

760
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,799
proof to that

761
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:16,559
um but

762
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,440
you know

763
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,039
that's part of my job sometimes is to

764
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,559
make sure it's available to people so

765
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,399
that they know that you know even though

766
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:24,080
i only have so many

767
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:25,840
you know people clicking on things or

768
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,640
watching things or whatever at least

769
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,640
i know that it's there

770
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,559
for somebody

771
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,159
like myself and when i was in the

772
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,679
position i was in

773
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,000
that somebody can click on it you know

774
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:40,559
right place right time and know

775
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:41,600
that

776
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:43,840
you know this isn't an isolated

777
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,360
incidence of pilots seeing ufos

778
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,640
or or

779
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,440
you know people of strong character

780
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,120
you know military men

781
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:55,120
whatever you want to make of that you

782
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,399
know it's not the first time that's

783
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,559
happened and it's happened thousands of

784
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,840
times

785
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,480
you know and it's been brushed off

786
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,039
for a very very long time

787
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,440
absolutely it's weird

788
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,520
and you know just on sunday with jim

789
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,600
semivan he was uh for

790
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,880
for those that might be watching this

791
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,279
later jim simivan was on coast to coast

792
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,000
with george knapp and and talked about

793
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,840
his own personal experiences among other

794
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,279
things and one of the things that he

795
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:23,039
also said on there that was like that

796
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:25,120
there was a snippet of which is he was

797
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:27,360
his i can't remember the exact quote but

798
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,120
it was something along the lines of of

799
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,520
you know anybody who's in the know on

800
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,760
the inside knows that there's an

801
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,840
otherworldly component to this a strong

802
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,720
one

803
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:39,679
and

804
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:47,600
was really strongly touching on the the

805
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:50,320
non-humanity angle of this and

806
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,919
and i and we have there's people like

807
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:56,000
gary nolan there's people like jacques

808
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,360
there there are so many people there are

809
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,039
people like leslie kane there's people

810
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,240
like ralph blumenthal that you know he

811
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,880
went on for 16 17 years working on his

812
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,440
john mack book partially as leslie put

813
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,080
it so that he could kind of use that

814
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:13,200
as the talk uh as a talking stick for

815
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,399
like a whole

816
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,799
other range of types of experience in a

817
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:18,480
way right yeah

818
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:19,200
and

819
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,600
that kind of like helped out with the

820
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,760
the architecture of what were

821
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:27,679
of like this modern disclosure movement

822
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:30,159
that even the nuts and bolts posse isn't

823
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,760
on then

824
00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,760
like you know it's

825
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,320
and people are so distrustful of

826
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:38,320
mainstream narratives then maybe they

827
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,159
should go beyond

828
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,399
the front page of the new york times and

829
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:45,120
continue reading past that point with

830
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:47,200
those same people right you know what i

831
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:48,000
mean

832
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,960
yeah and

833
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,640
you know you don't really have too much

834
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,960
of a pot to piss and so to speak if you

835
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,640
if you're not liking it the main

836
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,360
headlines and don't do your own digging

837
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,480
to check the validity of the category of

838
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,000
uh you know the words they're speaking

839
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,960
to begin with you know like yeah why

840
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:06,880
don't you go back and see what there is

841
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,519
to this whole thing for yourself

842
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:11,519
uh and and put in some time and effort

843
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,159
in the education process so that when

844
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,320
you do read the main headlines you can

845
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,640
you know corroborate that so to speak a

846
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,799
little bit with with history

847
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,760
you know

848
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,519
because that makes a difference so you

849
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,519
can at least see where people are coming

850
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,760
from is this history repeating itself is

851
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,760
this new if it is what's new what's

852
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,720
different

853
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,600
sort of thing

854
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,039
otherwise if you just take things

855
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,679
especially now at face value it's so

856
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:39,840
easy

857
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:43,919
to just say someone's lying or it's not

858
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:44,880
true

859
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,000
you know yeah it's so easy to say this

860
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:50,399
guy is full of crap because this is all

861
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:54,480
i've heard and he's talking about aliens

862
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,360
you know

863
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,240
it's the easy route to make that choice

864
00:32:02,789 --> 00:31:59,519
because it

865
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,799
it doesn't take any work

866
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:04,960
to make that decision

867
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,519
you know it's it's just a part of your

868
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,760
natural process is to reject something

869
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:12,000
like that because you don't know it

870
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:13,200
yeah

871
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,919
again won't name the name but like a

872
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,080
prominent person that often

873
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,000
goes towards the drone

874
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,360
conversation

875
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,480
um

876
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,200
uh and may have had his own personal

877
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,799
encounter recently and took a bunch of

878
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,919
pictures of it um but that um

879
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,159
but that that person just a few months

880
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,840
ago was saying

881
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,120
online that

882
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,559
admitting that they'd never read any

883
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:42,559
jacques valet and like was and before

884
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,320
that was like oh who is this

885
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,000
chock-fillet person and i couldn't even

886
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,440
tell if he was joking around he's like

887
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,440
oh i've never read him it's like yeah of

888
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,640
course not of course you haven't read

889
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,159
them you know what i mean and it's like

890
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,000
those these are the type of people that

891
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,919
like why like why do we listen to

892
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,559
anybody like that at all like why why

893
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,600
like why and like again it's not like a

894
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,360
it's just like a there if there are

895
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,840
seats at the table that person

896
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,519
doesn't even necessarily deserve to be

897
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,279
in the room do you know what i mean

898
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,600
because like like trying to educate like

899
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,919
a a recalcitrant

900
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,640
like

901
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,760
you know if somebody's just going to

902
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,760
cover their ears and like not even do

903
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,240
the basic research then like what

904
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:22,960
you know what practice it's it seems

905
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,600
just masochistic for us to sit around

906
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,279
and try to talk to people that don't

907
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,080
want to listen it's like my mom's like

908
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,559
like you could go find like my neighbor

909
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,480
is probably more receptive to many of

910
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,080
these ideas and it doesn't serve any

911
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,880
kind of practical there's no real

912
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:40,000
anymore

913
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,279
kind of like

914
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,960
you know what i mean or according to me

915
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,720
anyway there's it's it serves very

916
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,559
little purpose unless somebody wants to

917
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,679
just like bang their head against the

918
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:50,080
wall right well there's a point where

919
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,919
there needs to i mean i do think that

920
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:54,880
there needs to be a grounding aspect

921
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:57,840
you know incorporated like a devil's

922
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:00,960
advocate so to speak or or an opposite

923
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,760
you know because

924
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,000
how many times in life have you taken

925
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,240
other scenarios for granted or at face

926
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,399
value or for truth or whatever

927
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,240
and you come in and you're wrong you

928
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,240
know it's like oh i was wrong my gut

929
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,119
instinct screwed me you know or whatever

930
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:19,440
or what i believed in so much turned out

931
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,720
not to be right and to really believe in

932
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:25,359
what you believe in sometimes you have

933
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,159
to

934
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,879
you know go the wrong direction first

935
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,639
to know that you're now going the right

936
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:31,760
direction

937
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,240
so i think there's there's you know it's

938
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,359
it's

939
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,159
okay for somebody to go

940
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:41,919
that way and to experience it to know

941
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,079
what's right or what's wrong but i also

942
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,679
think

943
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,839
you know um there could be better

944
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:49,040
outlets

945
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,159
for that

946
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,760
right

947
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,040
just that ones that aren't so

948
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,280
condescending i guess um because it just

949
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:58,160
seems like if you judge the character of

950
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,000
the people that that shoot back on the

951
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:02,720
reality of the situation and look at the

952
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:05,040
actions the words and and all that kind

953
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,079
of stuff

954
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:09,760
it it becomes pretty clear um

955
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,800
you know who they are and yeah you know

956
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,480
if you just want to align yourself based

957
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,000
on somebody's character and one side

958
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,079
their own i wouldn't pick that side no

959
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:20,000
matter what they were saying you know

960
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,119
100

961
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:24,320
yeah or whatever but you know it is what

962
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,800
it is and you know people have their own

963
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:28,640
journeys and past and all that kind of

964
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:31,119
stuff and and i understand that so

965
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,040
um

966
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,040
you know i i don't

967
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,359
you know hate it on anybody for

968
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,520
the road that they're on

969
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:41,599
and in the path that they're on to to

970
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,359
find truth in their own life um but i i

971
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:47,359
just hope that those sick people are are

972
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:48,640
open to

973
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:51,920
discourse as as much as you know

974
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,200
uh they claim others are not you know

975
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,880
yeah so i don't know if that makes any

976
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,200
sense but no it does

977
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,599
and i appreciate it so um well we we

978
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,520
kind of went on a little bit of a tear

979
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,599
there that we weren't planning on having

980
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:07,280
uh in terms of the conversation but

981
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,800
that's all right yep every once in a

982
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,560
while it can be inside baseball and

983
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,440
that's all right it's okay to be

984
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,200
um

985
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,880
uh honest

986
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,240
uh with

987
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,599
with all your feelings so that other

988
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,839
people can know it it's

989
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:23,839
it's okay to be honest with themselves i

990
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,280
think sometimes

991
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,720
you know it's good to know that other

992
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,720
people are that think the same things

993
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,800
that you think and that you're not alone

994
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,400
and that doesn't necessarily mean that

995
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:34,000
you're you know right or wrong or

996
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,359
whatever it just

997
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,839
just means you know you're not alone

998
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,880
so

999
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:41,119
um and i think that's important

1000
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,119
you know when i have

1001
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,960
thoughts that i don't necessarily want

1002
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:47,359
to express sometimes or whatever and you

1003
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:48,240
know

1004
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,200
um

1005
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,960
and i do and

1006
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,640
you know sometimes i'm nervous about it

1007
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,400
but sometimes it's like

1008
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,200
this is just how i feel you know and and

1009
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:59,440
hearing someone else

1010
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,880
say

1011
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,520
you know like i feel the same way

1012
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:05,040
you know it makes it makes a world of

1013
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,240
difference

1014
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:07,760
makes the world

1015
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,760
so yeah i agree with you i think that

1016
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,599
there's you know there's there are

1017
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,240
points in

1018
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,599
there are points

1019
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:17,040
there have been points over the last few

1020
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:18,079
months

1021
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,839
you know since ralph

1022
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,200
since ralph

1023
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,720
um published that article that i was in

1024
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,640
and i kind of

1025
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:29,040
felt very exposed and that was the first

1026
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:31,599
time that i'd kind of come out out about

1027
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:32,320
my

1028
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:36,400
plenty of time since then where i felt

1029
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:37,200
like

1030
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,320
perfectly composed individual in

1031
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,000
situations like this

1032
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,720
i can't be mad i can't be upset i can't

1033
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:47,760
be sad

1034
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,720
i can't be frustrated um because it'll

1035
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,640
because it'll be perceived as a weakness

1036
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:54,160
or something like that you know what i

1037
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,119
mean

1038
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,520
and and but at the same time we're

1039
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,599
talking about we're talking about these

1040
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,079
situations that don't conform to the

1041
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,079
consensus idea of reality we're talking

1042
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:06,079
about these big eternal questions right

1043
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,359
and we're talking and and and also

1044
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,880
the strong component of character

1045
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,560
assassination that happens within these

1046
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:13,520
fields

1047
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:16,240
um because of how charged they get and

1048
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:20,160
it's in you know having it flow off

1049
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,119
you're

1050
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:23,760
like like water off a duck's bat can be

1051
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:24,960
quite difficult

1052
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,160
and being like 100 composed all the time

1053
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,599
is is

1054
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,760
is in

1055
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:34,720
is like an is a high bar that hardly

1056
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,440
anybody can can actually attain or

1057
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:39,280
you know who would even trust that

1058
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:40,400
person

1059
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,359
if right

1060
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,880
you know what i mean if it just became

1061
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,960
persona rather than the person

1062
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,960
right anyway yeah

1063
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:48,240
um

1064
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,040
so

1065
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,960
last night

1066
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,280
yeah along those lines let's go deep man

1067
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,720
yeah

1068
00:39:03,270 --> 00:38:59,990
you know and and i'll you know to to end

1069
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,280
that i'll say that uh my

1070
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,960
um

1071
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,520
my character my my thought process my

1072
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:09,839
reality is is ever expanding and can

1073
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,800
always change and it is

1074
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:14,960
malleable and i'm never too overly

1075
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,160
committed to what i know of as

1076
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,960
um completely correct you know i'm

1077
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,640
always open to change and new

1078
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,720
information as far as

1079
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,640
you know things that i learn throughout

1080
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,880
my life process so

1081
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,040
i'm a work in progress

1082
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,839
and i'm a very flawed person so

1083
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,680
i think it's also just important to know

1084
00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:38,880
for anyone listening that um if they

1085
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,839
they you know hear and take my words uh

1086
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:44,160
some way or another know that

1087
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:45,200
i

1088
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,240
am

1089
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,640
by no means perfect far from it and and

1090
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,200
i'm ever evolving and at least try you

1091
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,000
know trying to be so

1092
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:56,079
um

1093
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,760
last night yeah so

1094
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:59,680
you know it's it's been a while since i

1095
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,030
uh dreams that were were have been like

1096
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,640
really intense and

1097
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,599
really

1098
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,680
vivid and real

1099
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,000
like um

1100
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,440
and

1101
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,640
you know not last night but the night

1102
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,040
before i had one that was kind of

1103
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,880
like that but not too much just a little

1104
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,440
bit of information that you wake up with

1105
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,160
um and but last night was just like it

1106
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,520
was like a whole freaking two-hour movie

1107
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,280
of different things going

1108
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,359
going on um

1109
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:34,160
and i guess you know i and i texted you

1110
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,440
the dream and you had some good insight

1111
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:38,000
so i figured this would be maybe a good

1112
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,520
thing to bring up and we could just talk

1113
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,359
shop about it see where it goes

1114
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,680
sure so and i'm

1115
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:45,440
you know just going to because we're

1116
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:46,640
live and everything i'm just going to

1117
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:50,079
read off of uh what i typed out this

1118
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:51,520
morning after the dream when it was

1119
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,960
fresh so and we can go from there but

1120
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,240
um but

1121
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,760
i don't know for certain when this

1122
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,440
happened i feel like it's

1123
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,440
the dream started this way but that

1124
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:04,000
could be wrong i'm outside in the street

1125
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,280
not alone

1126
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,520
maybe my mother is there not certain and

1127
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:09,200
what i mean by that is there's like a

1128
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,960
sense of

1129
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,760
like

1130
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,520
it's already known that she's there but

1131
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:15,680
i i don't like see her or anything

1132
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:18,079
necessarily you know it's just like

1133
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,079
for instance if you're you know walking

1134
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,160
somewhere and you look at somebody like

1135
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,680
your mom or your friend or something

1136
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,599
then you look forward and you're walking

1137
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,119
you just have you know they're just

1138
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,960
there that's a part of the scene you

1139
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,680
know

1140
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,280
so that's where it

1141
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,599
kind of is although you know i don't see

1142
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:35,280
the person so

1143
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,520
um

1144
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,870
so just to kind of you know

1145
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,640
let you know so

1146
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,480
and there's something in this guy and i

1147
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,319
can't remember the detail too much

1148
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,160
there's like a strange light and i

1149
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,240
remember just like pointing up

1150
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,760
um as in like look at this spectacular

1151
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,000
um thing although

1152
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,160
in a spectacular type feeling attached

1153
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:01,839
to this although i don't remember

1154
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,760
exactly what was so spectacular

1155
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,160
at first this huge building i think is

1156
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,160
my new house and it's huge elevators

1157
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,480
building seems more like a mall or a

1158
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,640
corner building in a downtown area as

1159
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,400
the dream continues less and less of

1160
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,119
this huge area is my home first this

1161
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,200
downstairs area with the type of antique

1162
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,599
store connecting to just a huge general

1163
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:25,520
area which eventually people were

1164
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:28,160
sleeping and seemed sick or homeless

1165
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,359
perhaps

1166
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:31,119
at one point there's a concert about to

1167
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,880
begin a trio of um african-american gals

1168
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,119
singing what seemed like it was going to

1169
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,800
be soul music big hair and glitter

1170
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,200
dresses everything seemed like the clock

1171
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,720
was turned back and they were straight

1172
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,560
from the 60s versus people currently

1173
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,480
dressing up like the past

1174
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,119
the stage seemed like uh everything else

1175
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,680
i guess 90s decor but not new you know

1176
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:54,160
it was decrepit like those beige and

1177
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:58,480
like weird green pastel colors

1178
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:00,800
the ladies and only them seemed like the

1179
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,520
60s placed right on this

1180
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,359
decrepit

1181
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,550
like the same for decades and you know

1182
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:13,119
just becoming gross is what the building

1183
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,319
was like

1184
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,680
same with all the furniture around

1185
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,599
carpet wallpaper and other furnishings

1186
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,440
all like that throughout this place at

1187
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,359
one point one of the floors maybe second

1188
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,880
or third there's a bar of my uncle

1189
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,800
standing and he seems like he's enjoying

1190
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,240
it

1191
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,079
this whole time i'm somewhat frustrated

1192
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,760
this place isn't what i thought more of

1193
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,839
it becomes kind of a public area slowly

1194
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,760
as that happens i'm realizing all this

1195
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,280
is not my home

1196
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,960
but my new home is still in the building

1197
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,640
but i have a hard time getting back

1198
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,440
there

1199
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,280
i'm getting lost on hallways that lead

1200
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,200
to different areas more people sicker

1201
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,400
homeless

1202
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,640
sleeping on these couches in the common

1203
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:48,880
area these people were

1204
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,800
um turns out this is a bad neighborhood

1205
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,240
i remember

1206
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:55,359
somebody

1207
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:57,200
said that to me i knew that eventually

1208
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,400
in the dream

1209
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,319
even so someone started pointing that

1210
00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:02,640
out so almost to say i didn't know what

1211
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:05,119
i was getting myself into i found it i

1212
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,400
point out more or less that i've done

1213
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,839
this before and i'm not worried the last

1214
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,400
thing i remember um are

1215
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,800
finally being in my spot or home and

1216
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,400
it's a large open style room that's

1217
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,800
mainly a hospital type room

1218
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,000
with the bed

1219
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,920
there's a monitor

1220
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,680
there's a short wall about four foot or

1221
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,640
something

1222
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,560
with lines of chairs on the other side

1223
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,520
of it

1224
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,440
like waiting room chairs

1225
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,920
my uncle is there but in what capacity i

1226
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,040
don't know very faint there's a doctor

1227
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:35,040
maybe spanish putting papers in a

1228
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,119
laminated folder or briefcase type bag

1229
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,400
that sips

1230
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,440
made of cloth like a laptop peg he's got

1231
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,040
the white coat business casual

1232
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:45,520
underneath he's leaving i'm walking

1233
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,520
through a parking garage now

1234
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,040
so

1235
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,440
now i'm walking through a parking garage

1236
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,280
um with brand new looking mall

1237
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,040
storefronts like a completely different

1238
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,440
facility not even close uh uncle is

1239
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,920
there again seems like we are leaving

1240
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,160
like the ride is over or leaving an

1241
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,800
amusement park after a bullet day kind

1242
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,839
of vibe

1243
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,839
um then i woke up at

1244
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,400
after that at like 7 20 in the morning

1245
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,800
um very disoriented

1246
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:15,680
i haven't slept that late in a very very

1247
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,560
long time i never ever sleep that late

1248
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,560
so i woke up very kind of disoriented

1249
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,839
and confused

1250
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,599
um

1251
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
other things happened kind of foggy

1252
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:29,280
nothing detailed enough to mention i

1253
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:30,319
guess

1254
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,839
um

1255
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,550
thank you yeah

1256
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,560
hopefully that was important

1257
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,599
oh absolutely no no no i mean for me

1258
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,119
like it was the second time that i heard

1259
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,359
it um because sean and i were actually

1260
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,440
texting about this at like i don't know

1261
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:50,480
7 38 this morning and um

1262
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,359
and

1263
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,520
one thing that um

1264
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,800
you know i think that it's interesting

1265
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,920
because there's

1266
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,640
for a lot of reasons one is that

1267
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,960
it kind of goes through three

1268
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,680
stages right you're in this weird mall

1269
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,359
that kind of seems beyond time because

1270
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,560
you're seeing things that are kind of

1271
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,160
like 60s and you're seeing things that

1272
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,720
are kind of like 90s and it doesn't seem

1273
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,800
to be as fixed in time as like maybe it

1274
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,400
should be you're trying to get a sense

1275
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,240
of the time even within the dream and it

1276
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,920
was difficult and then you found

1277
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,599
yourself like home

1278
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,160
or like anchored and it was in a whole

1279
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,599
hospital room

1280
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,599
and this like spanish

1281
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,280
maybe um

1282
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:28,560
doctor was

1283
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,680
was putting some docs in a in like a

1284
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:33,200
laminated folder

1285
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:34,240
and

1286
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,560
current who now is alive in day-to-day

1287
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,680
life um was with you in that weird mall

1288
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:45,920
beyond time then you're in the hospital

1289
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,200
room and then after the hospital room

1290
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:51,280
you you and

1291
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:54,079
the uncle are leaving in a parking

1292
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,200
garage or you're walking through a

1293
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,520
parking garage and you get the sense

1294
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:59,280
like you'd been

1295
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,160
um

1296
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,680
at the amusement park all day or

1297
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,800
something like that and you were like

1298
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,640
yeah just like that right yeah like it

1299
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,839
was a long

1300
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,079
like a long day together

1301
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,960
uh we had a quite a time and and we're

1302
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:12,560
leaving you know

1303
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,880
it's almost like the end of a ball game

1304
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,880
and yeah you know we're walking past the

1305
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:19,520
merchandise shop at the baseball park

1306
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,559
you know the

1307
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:22,480
brand new built baseball park and

1308
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:24,880
everything was like shiny new you know

1309
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,839
but but we were leaving so it was yeah

1310
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,240
it was a different place because

1311
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,760
you know and it's funny that the

1312
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,280
different time thing because one of the

1313
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:36,079
first places i was there was like this

1314
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:38,720
antique store that was like i thought

1315
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,559
was a part of like

1316
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,200
you know my home now you know so like i

1317
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,800
moved to this place

1318
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,640
and i'm in there

1319
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,559
and i'm like oh what's this doing here

1320
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:50,400
this store is in here this is part of my

1321
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,359
house

1322
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,280
and i remember like asking somebody and

1323
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:55,280
they're like yeah that's yours now like

1324
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,040
okay so i got an empty story

1325
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,800
you know so that's kind of like almost

1326
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,800
like the all-encompassing like yep

1327
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:04,800
time's gonna be screwed up or something

1328
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,160
and then yeah now was the uncle in the

1329
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,480
the hospital room or was that the part

1330
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,800
or he i

1331
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,200
you know i feared that i that i sensed

1332
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:18,079
um that he was there you know um but

1333
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,240
again i didn't see i don't know you

1334
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,400
didn't necessarily see him

1335
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:24,240
see that's interesting to me because

1336
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,040
like

1337
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,839
you know of course you are

1338
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,000
in my in my realm

1339
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,160
from my perspective when i see all those

1340
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,240
books that are talking about like dream

1341
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,760
interpretation

1342
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,319
books and they're like a red bird that

1343
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,240
means love or whatever the heck they do

1344
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:42,240
that way like that that seems like a

1345
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,119
very

1346
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,200
surface level kind of engagement with

1347
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,359
one's dreams and it doesn't really seem

1348
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,920
to speak to the relevance of like

1349
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,480
personal imagery personal symbolism

1350
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,880
personal archetypal nature and at the

1351
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,280
same time like that hospital room is

1352
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,880
like seems really

1353
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,960
yeah as robert says in the chat your

1354
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,440
uncle seems to be the constant and like

1355
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,079
what i was thinking about was

1356
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,400
you know that that you felt anchored in

1357
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,319
the hospital room but that the doctor

1358
00:49:14,069 --> 00:49:12,800
was kind of like wrapping things up

1359
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,079
seemed to me

1360
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,400
to be like the key that unlocked it for

1361
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,720
for me and kind of a subjective

1362
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,960
interpretation anyway and that was that

1363
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:22,960
like it kind of seemed like

1364
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,720
i'm reminded about i was i'm reminded by

1365
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,920
how

1366
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,800
often when people are have like near

1367
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,599
near brushes with death

1368
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:34,319
like

1369
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,839
near-death experiences or or you know

1370
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,079
um particularly dicey situations in a

1371
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:41,680
hospital things like that

1372
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:44,880
people often report like having

1373
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,920
real odd kind of vision quest

1374
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,079
almost like out of body experiences or

1375
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,040
near-death experiences and often they'll

1376
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,920
find themselves in some realm

1377
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,359
beyond time

1378
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:59,280
should be on space time and then they'll

1379
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:02,000
pop back for a minute yeah like

1380
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,280
like um

1381
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,920
and then they and then they go right

1382
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,079
that there's kind of an in and out quiet

1383
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,680
quotient right

1384
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,800
and i remember that um

1385
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,800
before my grandmother passed she had a

1386
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,480
situation like that where she was kind

1387
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,960
of like untethered in time and kind of

1388
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,839
reported back in the hospital like

1389
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:24,720
before she well before she passed and i

1390
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:28,160
remember like stuart davis um

1391
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,760
who we both know um and and uh stewart's

1392
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,160
before stewart's father passed stuart's

1393
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,760
father was like

1394
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,280
this really

1395
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,640
um

1396
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,680
kind of a hardcore christian like a con

1397
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:43,760
like a real relatively kind of

1398
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,640
straightforward christian and

1399
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,240
he

1400
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,440
um

1401
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,760
i i'll probably not do it justice but he

1402
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,520
he made this big speech because he

1403
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,280
thought he was going to die and it was

1404
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,200
about going to heaven and you know this

1405
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,880
world and that world and stuff like that

1406
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,400
and then he was kind of out of it for a

1407
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,839
while and then he popped back and then

1408
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,000
the last thing the last words out of his

1409
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:06,720
mouth before he actually died

1410
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:07,599
was

1411
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:11,040
like why

1412
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,920
and

1413
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,720
he said because it's not real

1414
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:16,800
and then and anthony like dropped off

1415
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,000
and and he

1416
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,319
peaced out like shortly thereafter right

1417
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:22,160
like those were the last according to

1418
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,359
him those were the last words that he

1419
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,800
heard out of him right

1420
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:25,760
and

1421
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,559
so

1422
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,800
you know there's this

1423
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,640
you know what i mean so so like the idea

1424
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:32,480
of being like unbound from like

1425
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,640
space-time in a way or having at least

1426
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,800
those kinds of visions before one passes

1427
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:39,119
it kind of makes sense to me that dream

1428
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,559
sounded like almost like a like a really

1429
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,839
interesting

1430
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:46,800
symbolic art like architectural

1431
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,839
um

1432
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,359
representation of you having that kind

1433
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,880
of meandering

1434
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:53,920
through

1435
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,640
then they were anchored in the hospital

1436
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,160
for that brief moment and the doctor was

1437
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,480
like well done here and then you pieced

1438
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,480
out into the parking garage and you were

1439
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,800
like well i'm done and you're like here

1440
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,240
we go the other way and to me that

1441
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,319
sounded a little bit like you were

1442
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,160
maybe crossing over into the other realm

1443
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:14,400
like like the whole dream has the feel

1444
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:17,520
to me of like that unmooredness and like

1445
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,800
death experience but i i wonder if that

1446
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,800
resonates with you at all and like

1447
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:25,119
because i could be totally 100 off

1448
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:26,960
of that yeah i mean there were a couple

1449
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,680
things that um that you know kind of

1450
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,359
bring that home like for instance that's

1451
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,920
the last scene i remember before we

1452
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,280
leave like

1453
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,040
so the doctor's done that means we're

1454
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,200
done and we're leaving and then i wake

1455
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,440
up you know and there was an entry point

1456
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,000
too you know and those are the only two

1457
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:46,720
points i was not in the actual building

1458
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,760
was before and after you know

1459
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,680
before i was in the street

1460
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:54,319
you know and that's saw the light or

1461
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:55,359
whatever

1462
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,720
um

1463
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:58,720
and you know i said

1464
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,280
i'm not exactly clear on when that was

1465
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,599
i'm just supposing it was at the

1466
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,119
beginning

1467
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,000
um because you know linear wise it it

1468
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:10,720
just seems to fit into what i'm

1469
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,000
you know when i'm thinking about the

1470
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,520
dream more but

1471
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:14,800
um

1472
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,119
so yeah and there was there was anchors

1473
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,599
throughout it too like like when my

1474
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,200
uncle was working at the bar he was like

1475
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,200
filling these beer glasses and they're

1476
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:24,880
overflowing and he's got a smile on his

1477
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,480
face and at that

1478
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,119
moment i felt like okay well you know

1479
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:31,280
he's he's having a good time you know

1480
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,720
because i remember also worrying

1481
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,280
throughout it like

1482
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,280
like this isn't what i thought it was

1483
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,680
gonna be people are gonna think like

1484
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:41,200
what am i

1485
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:45,520
now and that kind of thing then you had

1486
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,640
mentioned the thing about like the

1487
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,200
airport and that that made me

1488
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,880
kind of think about all the different

1489
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,040
people that were like sleeping in what i

1490
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,200
thought were my house and then i

1491
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:57,839
and this is like a huge place like and

1492
00:54:02,069 --> 00:54:00,000
i'm on the ground level and there's like

1493
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,079
chairs out there and people have like

1494
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:04,000
their jackets over them and are like

1495
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,960
sleeping

1496
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,200
trying to not be seen or whatever

1497
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,640
um

1498
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:10,880
and uh on one of the higher floors

1499
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,880
there's two people with with headphones

1500
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:14,079
on with like

1501
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:14,960
their

1502
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,000
would see at the airport when they're

1503
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,400
waiting for their plane or whatever so

1504
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:22,480
it was very interesting you know there's

1505
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,920
definitely parts of that building that

1506
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,200
that took on

1507
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,960
the shape of the airplane

1508
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,319
um

1509
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,319
there's there's almost like too much

1510
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,079
that you could grab from it at some

1511
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,240
point you know if you're exactly

1512
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,319
creative enough

1513
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,400
sure i think yeah i mean like when we

1514
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,760
were talking about it earlier i was

1515
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,520
thinking like you know there are a lot

1516
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,040
of accounts where people have near-death

1517
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:45,119
experiences and they come back and you

1518
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,839
know

1519
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,599
a feature of this and it's kind of

1520
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,200
pertinent because of course some of

1521
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,119
these accounts like this are featured in

1522
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,040
surviving deaths leslie kane's book all

1523
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,680
right so that helps tie into last week

1524
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,680
um but you know there are people have

1525
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,680
these near-death experiences

1526
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,000
and then they'll come back and say like

1527
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,480
oh you know i i went through the veil i

1528
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,000
went through some tunnel i went i was

1529
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,760
met on the other side

1530
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:10,000
and then i got you know and then i was

1531
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,960
told

1532
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,400
it wasn't the right time or whatever

1533
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,799
right right and like and you know

1534
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,200
however people want to process the

1535
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,559
reality or unreality or surreality of

1536
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,319
those situations they happen you know

1537
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,640
what i mean like people have that

1538
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,319
experience when they're in that weird

1539
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,319
liminal state between life and death and

1540
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,160
they and then they come back and

1541
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:32,079
sometimes they report them and sometimes

1542
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:34,400
when people get to that point

1543
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,319
they get through like

1544
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,920
you know it's a common report it feels

1545
00:55:42,789 --> 00:55:40,160
like they go through some kind of tunnel

1546
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,799
some weird like rip opens up and they

1547
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,480
just kind of they kind of leave their

1548
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:47,359
body go through it and on the other side

1549
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,880
it often looks like a normal

1550
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:51,839
um

1551
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,160
like our realm for a few minutes while

1552
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,480
people get situated right this is like a

1553
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,880
super common report and so people like i

1554
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,559
was met you know i was met there by my

1555
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,200
mom or i was you know often people are

1556
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,920
met there and then it looks

1557
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:07,280
and then there's often the report of

1558
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,040
like oh it looked like rolling hills

1559
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,440
right and then another one is like it

1560
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,599
looked like an airport and other people

1561
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,280
it's like it looked like the outside of

1562
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,720
a train station

1563
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,480
right weird and that and that's like

1564
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,319
another thing and then as people get

1565
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,000
accustomed to

1566
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,079
where they are and being like oh i'm

1567
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:26,559
dead or like oh i'm on my way out

1568
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,880
some of that imagery seems to kind of

1569
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,480
like

1570
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,640
um disappear you know what i mean it's

1571
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,160
almost as if it's an illusion that's

1572
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,839
meant to make you feel comfortable it

1573
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,359
makes a lot of sense

1574
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,280
so you know

1575
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,880
a it's interesting like where the heck

1576
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,720
did that come from why is it programmed

1577
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:45,119
into so many people but b

1578
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,960
like how are we not

1579
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,280
how are we not aware of that in

1580
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,799
situations like what you were talking

1581
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,480
about like you have this parking garage

1582
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,760
situation

1583
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,599
and again and your gr and your uncle's

1584
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,520
like taking you away like and you're

1585
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,839
like whoa that was wild like that it was

1586
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:01,680
like a day at the amusement park yeah

1587
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,319
i'm thinking like that seems a lot like

1588
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,640
the metaphor that people have when they

1589
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,480
get over the other side you know instead

1590
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,160
of an airport or instead of a train

1591
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,960
station you're in a parking garage now

1592
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,880
for me i'd rather be in that rolling

1593
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:16,480
hills kind of scenario than a parking

1594
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,549
but i mean i don't know you know it

1595
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,319
could be anything but it's a it's it's

1596
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,880
also a way to talk about like how

1597
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:28,960
close we are in our dreams to this

1598
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,760
untethered space you know what i mean

1599
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,200
yeah and like

1600
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,599
and the idea that like are we being like

1601
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,760
what ideas are being communicated to us

1602
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,760
in these dreams and like how much of

1603
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,280
that are you know people have

1604
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,839
precognitive dreams how much does is it

1605
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,760
our subconscious i mean one thing that

1606
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:47,680
i'm sure many of us or most of us will

1607
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,000
agree on is that a lot of these dreams

1608
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,079
seem to be our subconscious trying to

1609
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,839
tell us things that we can use as like

1610
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,839
actionable intelligence during the day

1611
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,200
right right

1612
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,359
and so for me a lot of my dreams are me

1613
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:01,920
like completely screwing up it's like

1614
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,680
it's almost like a video game like i'm

1615
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:06,000
having my lived experience and then i'm

1616
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:06,960
like

1617
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,160
really terribly wrong and then i'm given

1618
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,839
the opportunity to like try to get

1619
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,280
myself out of it you know that's a

1620
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:23,520
common dream yeah situation that i just

1621
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,799
think right i gotta get out of this

1622
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:28,720
yeah and i'm like i'm like okay uh how

1623
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,079
do i how do i undo this it's true yeah

1624
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,920
right and so

1625
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,359
you know i think

1626
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:37,200
there's there's so much there in terms

1627
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,839
of

1628
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,480
you know us speaking to ourselves like

1629
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,160
at what level are we speaking to

1630
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:44,240
ourselves in situations like that like

1631
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,040
those

1632
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,839
nuances that stay with you from this

1633
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,400
life into the dream world like how i was

1634
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,240
saying like i you know there's just a

1635
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:54,640
sense that he's there my uncle or my mom

1636
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,839
like i don't see them i just like know

1637
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,760
that they're there like how does that

1638
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:01,520
feeling

1639
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,799
you know that you would have in this

1640
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,799
life like like i'm looking at you if i

1641
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,799
look this way i can feel that you're

1642
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,319
right there i know you're there that's

1643
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,640
reality like that's how it is like how

1644
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:12,880
does that carry over

1645
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,720
how does that sense carry over into this

1646
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,880
you know sleeping state or

1647
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,280
or dream world or whatever you know it's

1648
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,280
yeah that's sorry yeah yeah and that's

1649
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:24,960
another interesting point because you

1650
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:27,200
saw you were with your uncle

1651
00:59:30,829 --> 00:59:29,920
um he was in in the in the dream mall

1652
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,839
right

1653
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:33,119
yeah you felt and then you felt him

1654
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:34,559
where you were

1655
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:37,359
but even that comes across again like

1656
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:39,280
you're saying it's it comes across to me

1657
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:40,160
like

1658
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,160
he he stayed on the other side while you

1659
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,240
blip back in to the hospital bed for a

1660
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,480
moment yeah but you know i don't know

1661
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:53,280
but like people often have people again

1662
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,880
you know in surviving death and

1663
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,400
otherwise you know people have these

1664
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:58,000
situations where

1665
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,440
where um

1666
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,960
they they feel like they're getting

1667
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:03,200
visited right before the end right and

1668
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,480
they have the feeling they don't

1669
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:06,400
necessarily see the person sometimes

1670
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,359
they do

1671
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,359
but sometimes they'll hear a voice

1672
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,680
things like that and it's considered so

1673
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,160
mundane that it doesn't even really get

1674
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:16,720
reported you know my mom does hospice

1675
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:19,040
work and so her whole thing is like

1676
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:20,000
is like

1677
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,359
being with people

1678
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,119
in the latter stages of their life right

1679
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,799
like right right at the end dealing with

1680
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:27,040
the family like helping

1681
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,480
help you know helping them through the

1682
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:30,559
process and things like that and there's

1683
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,920
so many wild reports that you hear

1684
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,839
so many where people

1685
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:36,799
are

1686
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,359
visited oh my dad visited and things

1687
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,359
like this and

1688
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,400
and i think that partly you know people

1689
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:48,480
the loved ones that are also around for

1690
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:50,400
that are set in such a point of

1691
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:52,960
overwhelm yeah with being like oh my

1692
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:54,799
gosh like i'm going to lose my mother or

1693
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:56,240
i'm going to lose my grandfather or

1694
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,359
whatever it is

1695
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,520
that like you know they're just it's

1696
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:01,280
like uh-huh

1697
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:03,680
you know what i mean like hearing like

1698
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,040
you know you're being visited by

1699
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,640
somebody it's like i mean i've been in

1700
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:09,119
that position myself and i'm like uh

1701
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,880
you know what i mean like i'm

1702
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:13,359
like i don't know i don't know where you

1703
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,040
get the authority to deal with this kind

1704
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,640
of a conversation but i don't have it

1705
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:18,480
yet like nobody you know what i mean i

1706
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:19,760
didn't do the training for this

1707
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:22,880
conversation right

1708
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,040
but um but it's interesting to have

1709
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,280
those kinds of maybe a preparatory dream

1710
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,920
like that where it's almost like

1711
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,920
you know what what what happens in 40

1712
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,119
years like

1713
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:35,760
like um 40 50 years you're in a hospital

1714
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,520
room and you see and you see that doctor

1715
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:39,920
walk in you're gonna be like gosh

1716
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:42,400
wow yeah

1717
01:01:47,510 --> 01:01:43,440
yeah

1718
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,520
and the time stuff is is very

1719
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:49,520
interesting that you touch that too like

1720
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,799
you know like an old 90s decrepit kind

1721
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:54,000
of mall

1722
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:55,359
you know and

1723
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:58,799
like the trio ebony soul sister group

1724
01:02:03,029 --> 01:01:59,920
um

1725
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:03,039
like looked like they were actually from

1726
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:05,440
the time you know it from the 60s like i

1727
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,520
was but they were placed on this stage

1728
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:12,480
in this building from the 90s you know

1729
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,079
and

1730
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,480
it's it's just so bizarre when you think

1731
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,839
about it

1732
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,680
you know and visiting you and who's

1733
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,039
visiting you and

1734
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:22,799
and who's watching is somebody putting

1735
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:25,280
this together you know who's putting

1736
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:28,079
these scenes together it but

1737
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,760
you know it's so weird but some of that

1738
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,200
makes a difference on your decisions

1739
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,960
because here i am like i listen to some

1740
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,640
soul music today and i became really

1741
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,880
inspired you know

1742
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,160
beautiful

1743
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,920
it's interesting

1744
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,920
yeah and maybe and there's an aspect to

1745
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,599
that you know i was

1746
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:45,839
i was um

1747
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:48,319
reading for a minute and carl jung's

1748
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:51,760
dreams it's just a compendium from from

1749
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,359
of him speaking about dreams at

1750
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,359
different points but one of the things

1751
01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:56,880
that he really came

1752
01:03:02,549 --> 01:02:59,599
came to a lot was talking about mandala

1753
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,559
imagery and and dream architecture

1754
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,720
and i think it's it's really fast it's

1755
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,960
really fascinating and i'm not as well

1756
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:09,200
read in it as i should be probably

1757
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,920
but

1758
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,240
you know his contention is that that

1759
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:14,799
imagery like this which is often used as

1760
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:16,799
like an object of contemplation for deep

1761
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,359
meditation for for

1762
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,960
for tibetan buddhists and stuff like

1763
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,680
that

1764
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:23,359
and kind of contemplating different

1765
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:24,480
realms

1766
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:27,119
and and kind of different deities and

1767
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:28,400
stuff like that or in these kind of

1768
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,680
different rooms these different

1769
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,960
quadrants here

1770
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:32,160
you know and

1771
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:33,119
and

1772
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,039
he says it seems to me beyond question

1773
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,440
that these eastern symbols originated in

1774
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:39,599
dreams and visions and were not invented

1775
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,440
by some church father

1776
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,280
on on the contrary they're among the

1777
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:45,760
oldest religious symbols of humanity and

1778
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,839
may have even existed in paleolithic

1779
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:49,200
times

1780
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:50,960
moreover they're distributed all over

1781
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,359
the world a point i'd need not insist on

1782
01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:56,480
here but anyway like

1783
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,160
i think part of his contention is that

1784
01:04:01,910 --> 01:04:00,000
there's this this element of like trying

1785
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,920
to concretize

1786
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:03,599
these these

1787
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:04,880
ephemeral

1788
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,000
etheric states you know what i mean like

1789
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:10,480
you know demons and stuff like this are

1790
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,920
in here you know what i mean things like

1791
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,359
that and so

1792
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,520
the the idea that

1793
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,760
that somebody could take

1794
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:19,920
you know and and the idea that dream

1795
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,359
architecture could represent different

1796
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:24,720
different

1797
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,960
kind of shades of your personality or

1798
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,799
different shades of your thinking

1799
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:30,319
you know what i mean that that could

1800
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:32,720
have that that could be as mundane as

1801
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,839
like the soul sisters that inspired you

1802
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:37,200
and then look what happened now you got

1803
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,599
a guitar you're ready to play

1804
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,280
you know what i mean

1805
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,280
and that's beautiful and that was like

1806
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,359
and that was like and that was like to

1807
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,760
me and hearing it i don't know the 12th

1808
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,680
most interesting part of that dream and

1809
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:52,160
it still was able to concretize into

1810
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:54,880
something that has like shifted

1811
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,960
yeah not just your day but your future

1812
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,799
because like um

1813
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,400
because because of that guitar in your

1814
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:02,960
hands interesting huh how that works

1815
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:05,680
yeah yeah yeah and it put and it still

1816
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,200
plays off of something that happened in

1817
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:09,200
reality like i was telling you before

1818
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:12,400
like today you know like doing my little

1819
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,200
break at the lake or whatever a cars

1820
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,039
i can hear a car stereo system in there

1821
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:19,359
and they're playing the song hallelujah

1822
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,240
you know so i put that on by uh buckley

1823
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,839
jeff buckley and

1824
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:25,359
um that

1825
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:28,400
you know moves me emotionally and

1826
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,160
that changes to this artist named

1827
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:32,960
charles bradley who was like in his 80s

1828
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:35,359
when he finally got like recognized in

1829
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,240
in you know notice for what he was doing

1830
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:40,240
his whole life was singing and

1831
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:41,599
everything

1832
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:42,640
and

1833
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,359
the the buckley song so then i'm on this

1834
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,640
guy

1835
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,559
and that inspires me and it's a solo

1836
01:05:59,349 --> 01:05:58,400
like guitar and a guy singing his art

1837
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,359
out then

1838
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,359
i'm like electric guitar man i haven't

1839
01:06:05,190 --> 01:06:03,280
had electric guitar

1840
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:05,200
and that's like my tool that's like my

1841
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,039
gun that i always had my holster was my

1842
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,440
electric guitar you know like yeah i

1843
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:11,200
need to get that and it just came over

1844
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,319
me like

1845
01:06:17,190 --> 01:06:14,400
i need that right now

1846
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:17,200
you know like and i was happy and felt

1847
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:18,960
like i had you know

1848
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:21,039
a motive for a second and

1849
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,319
went and got it and it's like the

1850
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:24,160
perfect guitar like that i've always

1851
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:25,440
kind of looked for but was never

1852
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,119
available

1853
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:28,880
and you know it all kind of starts with

1854
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:31,280
this one thing it's weird

1855
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:34,400
it's amazing right yeah and and so you

1856
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:35,359
know we

1857
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:36,880
i think one of our earliest

1858
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:39,680
conversations before we started

1859
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:41,200
doing doing the show together on

1860
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,559
wednesdays is

1861
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:44,799
you know we were having the conversation

1862
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,599
about little dreams and big dreams yeah

1863
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,760
you know the idea that some dreams are

1864
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,640
just

1865
01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,559
you know you're going to get some remix

1866
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:54,400
of of what happened to you during the

1867
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,480
day and it just kind of

1868
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:58,240
seems kind of half-assed and thrown

1869
01:07:03,430 --> 01:06:59,920
together and then there are these other

1870
01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:03,440
dreams where it's like fest like

1871
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:05,190
who designed that lazy

1872
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,870
i don't know dream architect jay really

1873
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,280
sucks tonight

1874
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,760
yeah my subconscious really is really

1875
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:20,000
clocking it in here they're really doing

1876
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,799
much

1877
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,319
yeah but then but then there are these

1878
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,760
big dreams where you just become

1879
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:26,079
convinced like all right somebody even

1880
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:28,640
if it's me is telling me some serious

1881
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,480
right now and i need to pay

1882
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:32,000
attention right

1883
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:33,039
and

1884
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,799
one you know

1885
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:38,799
with the with the depth of the rest of

1886
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:41,200
the imagery that you know the guitar

1887
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:45,510
is going to be a conduit and it's

1888
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:47,839
probably not going to be the last

1889
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:51,680
of of this this dreams um imagery

1890
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,559
that uh recirculates for you you know

1891
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,240
yeah

1892
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,839
and i'm going to write songs with it and

1893
01:08:01,430 --> 01:08:00,079
all that kind of stuff so

1894
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:01,440
oh my gosh

1895
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,920
going through changes as as both ozzy

1896
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,920
osbourne and charles bradley said right

1897
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:07,920
yeah there we go

1898
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:11,359
changes i'll probably

1899
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:13,359
it's wonderful to see bob marley and

1900
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,640
robert coford and rachel and nigel and

1901
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:17,759
kirsten

1902
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:21,359
uh it's and anne etc um

1903
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:22,839
uh following us through this

1904
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,799
conversation um

1905
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,279
deeply appreciate seeing what's been in

1906
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,600
the chat over there in terms of dream

1907
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:30,640
imagery

1908
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:32,319
you know i think

1909
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:35,120
it's it's tricky because i think people

1910
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:37,279
shy just as people shy away from talking

1911
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:38,719
about their experiences because they're

1912
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,600
so strange people shy away from talking

1913
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:43,199
about their dreams because they feel

1914
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:45,040
like everybody has them

1915
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:45,920
and

1916
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,839
it's it's it's almost not worth

1917
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,839
mentioning and at the same time you know

1918
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:51,440
there's there's so many cultures around

1919
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:52,640
the world and

1920
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,520
and

1921
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,600
um you know much has been made in

1922
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,920
anthropology about indigenous cultures

1923
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,080
and stuff like that that spent on a

1924
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,640
large amount of time like you know going

1925
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:04,319
through their dream life and recounting

1926
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,080
these for each other and yeah i don't

1927
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:07,920
know important to me

1928
01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:08,719
yeah

1929
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,440
um

1930
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:11,359
you know that or like the bigger dreams

1931
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,120
that i've had just because i've

1932
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,640
you know it's not like every night i

1933
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,159
have a dream and i'm sitting there like

1934
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,080
trying to dissect it like what is this

1935
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:20,080
what is that you know it's it's every so

1936
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,279
often

1937
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,719
um and

1938
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:24,960
way more rare than not i can count on

1939
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:27,520
one hand like the amount of

1940
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,799
uh impactful dreams i've had you know

1941
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,319
throughout my life

1942
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,640
and i've had many dreams but i can count

1943
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:37,359
on one hand that like the the ones that

1944
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,600
stayed with me and something you know

1945
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,679
followed me or throughout my life we

1946
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,839
came up again or whatever you know

1947
01:09:47,829 --> 01:09:45,279
so you know

1948
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:47,839
to that that to me means something you

1949
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:48,880
know

1950
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:53,120
much of this is

1951
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,360
i i think it's okay um you you know

1952
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,760
another big dream that you had kind of

1953
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:02,000
led you to doing this show in the first

1954
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,520
place and doing the research that you've

1955
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,000
been doing sure you you were you were

1956
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,159
that dreams kind of bracketed

1957
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,199
um this pivotal experience for you and

1958
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:13,520
you know would that have experience had

1959
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,640
the shock

1960
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:15,440
that

1961
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:17,520
you know was it softened because you had

1962
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:19,440
the dreams or was it even more extreme

1963
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,199
because you had those dreams yeah

1964
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:24,239
extreme highlight yeah for sure

1965
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,040
yeah

1966
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,800
as impactful for sure

1967
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:30,640
yeah yeah so

1968
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,480
yeah so there you go if you've got if

1969
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:35,040
you got five of them we just

1970
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,640
maybe took care of two or three of them

1971
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:37,920
right there you know what i mean it's

1972
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:44,709
right they took care of us right yeah

1973
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:45,679
yeah

1974
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,560
so

1975
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,159
that being said

1976
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,480
yeah thanks to everybody for uh being in

1977
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,840
the campfire and being around the

1978
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,920
campfire with us today it's awesome yeah

1979
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:55,920
i love talking like this

1980
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,800
yeah

1981
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,040
it's real talk and you know we're just

1982
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,280
checking we're just checking out

1983
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,719
you know yeah

1984
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,719
it's uh it's like people were joining us

1985
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,719
for a telephone call this is like how

1986
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:08,080
shawn and i actually just talk to each

1987
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:16,630
oh man so all right everybody with that

1988
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:21,280
being said i am going to let you go

1989
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:24,640
and this intro was even inspired um

1990
01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,679
let's start started from the dream so

1991
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:29,920
we all get to benefit a little bit from

1992
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,880
that today so absolutely thanks

1993
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:34,480
everybody for everything

1994
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,360
um

1995
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,960
and we'll see you next time any last

1996
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,560
words

1997
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,719
oh just uh thanks to everybody as well

1998
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,800
and thanks especially to you sean um

1999
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,120
it's wonderful joining you today and i

2000
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:47,520
look forward to doing it again soon you

2001
01:11:55,180 --> 01:11:48,960
as always

2002
01:11:55,190 --> 01:12:17,990
[Music]

2003
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:20,070
if it's possible to build a love as

2004
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,520
strong as a fear and last as long as the

2005
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,199
sands of time

2006
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,360
then darling i know our love will be an

2007
01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:30,000
eternal monument for generations of

2008
01:12:35,630 --> 01:12:47,189
[Music]

2009
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:48,830
like no

2010
01:12:54,970 --> 01:12:51,480
other treat me